bluesky1
10-02 06:57 PM
I added me here. Hope our box is not lost.
here is list of July 3rd at 9:03 received by R.William-- If you are still waiting then please add your name
lutherpraveen
PDOCT05
i99
helpme1234
kingnaga
waitforgc123
Rohan99
gclongwaytogo
cool_cat
sivanu
GKBest
bluesky1
Thank you "Lutherpraveen" for info. I will react on this situation after OCT 10th (traveling right now). I will contact my lawyer and see what can be done. Keep posted on whatz happening..
here is list of July 3rd at 9:03 received by R.William-- If you are still waiting then please add your name
lutherpraveen
PDOCT05
i99
helpme1234
kingnaga
waitforgc123
Rohan99
gclongwaytogo
cool_cat
sivanu
GKBest
If we hear nothing then we may have to take collective action. If any of you guys receive RN plz update as ASAP.
here is list of July 3rd at 9:03 received by R.William-- If you are still waiting then please add your name
lutherpraveen
PDOCT05
i99
helpme1234
kingnaga
waitforgc123
Rohan99
gclongwaytogo
cool_cat
sivanu
GKBest
bluesky1
Thank you "Lutherpraveen" for info. I will react on this situation after OCT 10th (traveling right now). I will contact my lawyer and see what can be done. Keep posted on whatz happening..
here is list of July 3rd at 9:03 received by R.William-- If you are still waiting then please add your name
lutherpraveen
PDOCT05
i99
helpme1234
kingnaga
waitforgc123
Rohan99
gclongwaytogo
cool_cat
sivanu
GKBest
If we hear nothing then we may have to take collective action. If any of you guys receive RN plz update as ASAP.
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KanME
07-20 12:44 AM
I am all for it...
i will contribute $100..
i will contribute $100..
cjain
11-02 11:18 AM
I was confident on this before, you have just made me super confident.
I have been saying all along that one can get a same/similar job after 180 days irrespective of the whether I-140 was approved or not. I don't know why some people / lawyers spread so much mis-information on this topic.
I have been saying all along that one can get a same/similar job after 180 days irrespective of the whether I-140 was approved or not. I don't know why some people / lawyers spread so much mis-information on this topic.
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Honda
09-09 10:30 PM
We want to do some thing for elimination of backlogs Especially for EB3 - India Else we wont see any more progress.
All EB3 people please share your thoughts to resolve this issue.
All EB3 people please share your thoughts to resolve this issue.
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Positive
07-20 12:44 PM
We all are equally frustrated with the situation we are in. We can always find reasons to fight within our community (EB Vs FB, Legal Vs Illegal, EB1 vs EB2 Vs EB3 - the list is endless). These outburst of frustrations / arguments and counter arguments do not take us anywhere.
Let us keep supporting IV and build a strong partnership of interested parties. Let us focus on areas where we can agree. Many among us worked hard to build this community, let us try to strengthen and preserve it.
Let us keep supporting IV and build a strong partnership of interested parties. Let us focus on areas where we can agree. Many among us worked hard to build this community, let us try to strengthen and preserve it.
rustum
08-29 12:01 PM
Hi,
My 140 is filed at NSC. RD is on 05/25/2007. 485 is reached NSC on July 27. Filed from Texas. What are the chances of getting transferred to TSC. Need EAD for wife as soon as possible.
My 140 is filed at NSC. RD is on 05/25/2007. 485 is reached NSC on July 27. Filed from Texas. What are the chances of getting transferred to TSC. Need EAD for wife as soon as possible.
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Blog Feeds
05-08 02:20 PM
The EB-2 category for Indian nationals has retrogressed four years and will be set at January 1, 2000 for applications received beginning June 1st. If you are from China, the backlog is five years less - February 15, 2005. And if you are from any other country in the world, there is no wait at all. I am really appalled that Congress allows such an unjust distribution methodology to remain the law. No country is permitted to claim more than 7% of the numbers in a green card category. That means tiny countries like Andorra and Botswana get the same...
More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/05/june-visa-bulletin-reveals-terrible-news-for-eb2-indians.html)
More... (http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2009/05/june-visa-bulletin-reveals-terrible-news-for-eb2-indians.html)
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mammoy2k
11-28 07:44 PM
I think attorneys scare us in using AC21 before I-140. If you have a good attroney she can argue and convince USCIS to approve AC21 before I-140 approval. There can be only 3 reasons of I-140 denial:
- Ability to Pay
- Education
- Experience
Now if you work for a public company, A2P is not an issue. If you have a US degree, or a 4 years degree from outside, educations should not be a concern, unless LC asks for BTech in Comp Sc and you have it in Civil Engg. Laslty on Exp letter, if the only experience you mentioned on LC is the experience for which you have exp letter, you are fine.
Does anyone see anything missing? Come Jan 08, I expect many AC21 with I-140 pending.
Mammoy2k
I was confident on this before, you have just made me super confident.
I have been saying all along that one can get a same/similar job after 180 days irrespective of the whether I-140 was approved or not. I don't know why some people / lawyers spread so much mis-information on this topic.
- Ability to Pay
- Education
- Experience
Now if you work for a public company, A2P is not an issue. If you have a US degree, or a 4 years degree from outside, educations should not be a concern, unless LC asks for BTech in Comp Sc and you have it in Civil Engg. Laslty on Exp letter, if the only experience you mentioned on LC is the experience for which you have exp letter, you are fine.
Does anyone see anything missing? Come Jan 08, I expect many AC21 with I-140 pending.
Mammoy2k
I was confident on this before, you have just made me super confident.
I have been saying all along that one can get a same/similar job after 180 days irrespective of the whether I-140 was approved or not. I don't know why some people / lawyers spread so much mis-information on this topic.
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Edison99
08-23 03:01 PM
Hi MeraNaamJoker,
First of all congrats man!
You experience gave so much hope on my green card process�
Buddy,
This is an ultimate test from above on our patience.
I waited for a very long 10+ yrs for my process to complete. Will you beleive that during the first 3 yrs of my application all the categories were current. The very next month when my labor got approved it went to retrogression. Before I got greened 2 weeks back, the dates became current for 3 times. I missed all 3 times. Last one was becuase of idiot lawyer (her firm is one of the largest immigration law firms in the entire country) sat on it and did not provide a required paper work.
After that the wait got extended for another 3 more yrs. finally got it on early part of this month. With the same process I was laid off once. Ported the process out. Then second company tried to ditch me the process. Ran away from their with the process. Got really lucky. From 3rd company I was forced to take a package and leave. Got lucky there too to port the case for a record 3rd time. Filed AC21 with the 4th company. Later filed I 140 again (i don't know why. The lawyer of the cmpany insisted). Got that once also approved.
Spend almost 38,000.00 dollars in all these various processes. After all these waited for almost another 2 yrs again and finally it arrived.....
So each story is different. Each has got its own colors. I have worst situations than mine. Just hang in there buddy. Your turn is round the corner. It is on its way.
First of all congrats man!
You experience gave so much hope on my green card process�
Buddy,
This is an ultimate test from above on our patience.
I waited for a very long 10+ yrs for my process to complete. Will you beleive that during the first 3 yrs of my application all the categories were current. The very next month when my labor got approved it went to retrogression. Before I got greened 2 weeks back, the dates became current for 3 times. I missed all 3 times. Last one was becuase of idiot lawyer (her firm is one of the largest immigration law firms in the entire country) sat on it and did not provide a required paper work.
After that the wait got extended for another 3 more yrs. finally got it on early part of this month. With the same process I was laid off once. Ported the process out. Then second company tried to ditch me the process. Ran away from their with the process. Got really lucky. From 3rd company I was forced to take a package and leave. Got lucky there too to port the case for a record 3rd time. Filed AC21 with the 4th company. Later filed I 140 again (i don't know why. The lawyer of the cmpany insisted). Got that once also approved.
Spend almost 38,000.00 dollars in all these various processes. After all these waited for almost another 2 yrs again and finally it arrived.....
So each story is different. Each has got its own colors. I have worst situations than mine. Just hang in there buddy. Your turn is round the corner. It is on its way.
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nozerd
05-03 05:22 PM
Cornyn bill as I read it is better than the other bills for US Masters holders in non STEM area ex someone like myself with an MBA.
As far as I read it basically it says to be quota exempt you should
1) Have Masters or higher from US Univ.
2) Have Masters in STEM and 3 yrs exp. (even if Masters is from outside US).
So based on this logic even if someone has MA in English from US Univ they will be quota exempt, correct ???
The �SKIL� Bill
Short Title: Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership (SKIL)
Title I � Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers
Section 101. H-1B Visa Holders
Exempts professionals who have earned advanced degrees (e.g. Master�s degree or higher) from accredited United States universities and those who have been awarded a medical specialty certification based on post-doctoral training and experience in the United States from the annual H-1B cap.
Section 102. Market-Based Visa Limits
Raises the H-1B (specialty occupation) cap from 65,000 to 115,000 and creates a flexible system that adjusts with the market.
Title II � Retaining Foreign Workers Educated in the United States
Section 201. United States Educated Immigrants.
Exempts U.S.-educated professionals with advanced degrees and those who have been awarded a medical specialty certification based on post-doctoral training and experience in the United States from the annual green card (i.e. immigrant visa) cap.
Exempts professionals who have earned advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering or math, and who worked in the U.S. for at least three years in a related field, from the immigrant visa cap.
Exempts spouse and minor children of professionals from the employment-based cap. Under current law, only about fifty percent of employment-based visas go to actual workers.
Section 202. Immigrant Visa Backlog Reduction.
Raises the immigrant visa (i.e. green card) cap from 140,000 to 290,000 and allows unused visas to fall forward annually.
Exempts aliens of extraordinary ability, and outstanding researchers and professors from the annual green card limit.
Section 203. Student Visa Reform.
Many employers seek to hire U.S. educated students full-time upon graduation, and this change would enable the employer to start the green card process while the foreign worker is on a student visa (F-1) during Optional Practical Training (OPT). Codifies OPT; which will allow U.S. educated foreign students to work in their field for up to two years after graduation.
Section 204. L-1 Visa Holders Subject to Visa Backlog.
Allows an extension of an L-1 (intracompany transfer) visa beyond the fifth or seventh year if the individual has a green card application pending and is simply caught in the green card backlog. This extension is currently allowed for H-1B (specialty occupation) visa holders, but not for L-1 visa holders.
Section 205. Retaining Workers Subject to Green Card Backlog.
Allows foreign workers who have started the green card process, but who are subject to green card backlogs, to pay a $500.00 supplemental fee to file an application to adjust status. This change would enable foreign workers to remain in the U.S. until the green card becomes available.
Title III � Business Facilitation Through Immigration Reform
Section 301. Streamlining the Adjudication Process for Established Employers.
Requires the creation of a pre-certification program that streamlines the adjudication process, and reduces paperwork burdens, for employers who file multiple applications and who have no history of fraud or abuse. Pre-certification would allow those employers to file a petition on a separate review track and not submit repetitive organizational documentation.
Section 302. Providing Premium Processing of Employment-Based Visa Petitions.
Requires USCIS to allow employers to file a �premium processing� fee for expedited adjudication of employment-based immigrant petitions, as well as for administrative appeals of any decision on an employment-based immigrant petition.
Section 303. Eliminating Procedural Delays in Labor Certification Process.
Requires the Department of Labor to process all applications filed prior to the electronic PERM system within six months of enactment. Clarifies the Department of Labor�s process in providing prevailing wage determinations and requires the Department of Labor to establish a website to post open job orders.
Title IV. Miscellaneous
Section 401. Completion of Background and Security Checks.
Requires that no immigration application may be approved until the appropriate background and security checks are completed and any allegations of fraud have been resolved.
Section 402. Visa Revalidation.
Allows temporary workers who have not violated their status to renew their visa from within the United States.
Section 403. Severability.
Clarifies that if any part of this act is determined to be invalid it will have no effect on the remainder of the provisions.
As far as I read it basically it says to be quota exempt you should
1) Have Masters or higher from US Univ.
2) Have Masters in STEM and 3 yrs exp. (even if Masters is from outside US).
So based on this logic even if someone has MA in English from US Univ they will be quota exempt, correct ???
The �SKIL� Bill
Short Title: Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership (SKIL)
Title I � Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers
Section 101. H-1B Visa Holders
Exempts professionals who have earned advanced degrees (e.g. Master�s degree or higher) from accredited United States universities and those who have been awarded a medical specialty certification based on post-doctoral training and experience in the United States from the annual H-1B cap.
Section 102. Market-Based Visa Limits
Raises the H-1B (specialty occupation) cap from 65,000 to 115,000 and creates a flexible system that adjusts with the market.
Title II � Retaining Foreign Workers Educated in the United States
Section 201. United States Educated Immigrants.
Exempts U.S.-educated professionals with advanced degrees and those who have been awarded a medical specialty certification based on post-doctoral training and experience in the United States from the annual green card (i.e. immigrant visa) cap.
Exempts professionals who have earned advanced degrees in science, technology, engineering or math, and who worked in the U.S. for at least three years in a related field, from the immigrant visa cap.
Exempts spouse and minor children of professionals from the employment-based cap. Under current law, only about fifty percent of employment-based visas go to actual workers.
Section 202. Immigrant Visa Backlog Reduction.
Raises the immigrant visa (i.e. green card) cap from 140,000 to 290,000 and allows unused visas to fall forward annually.
Exempts aliens of extraordinary ability, and outstanding researchers and professors from the annual green card limit.
Section 203. Student Visa Reform.
Many employers seek to hire U.S. educated students full-time upon graduation, and this change would enable the employer to start the green card process while the foreign worker is on a student visa (F-1) during Optional Practical Training (OPT). Codifies OPT; which will allow U.S. educated foreign students to work in their field for up to two years after graduation.
Section 204. L-1 Visa Holders Subject to Visa Backlog.
Allows an extension of an L-1 (intracompany transfer) visa beyond the fifth or seventh year if the individual has a green card application pending and is simply caught in the green card backlog. This extension is currently allowed for H-1B (specialty occupation) visa holders, but not for L-1 visa holders.
Section 205. Retaining Workers Subject to Green Card Backlog.
Allows foreign workers who have started the green card process, but who are subject to green card backlogs, to pay a $500.00 supplemental fee to file an application to adjust status. This change would enable foreign workers to remain in the U.S. until the green card becomes available.
Title III � Business Facilitation Through Immigration Reform
Section 301. Streamlining the Adjudication Process for Established Employers.
Requires the creation of a pre-certification program that streamlines the adjudication process, and reduces paperwork burdens, for employers who file multiple applications and who have no history of fraud or abuse. Pre-certification would allow those employers to file a petition on a separate review track and not submit repetitive organizational documentation.
Section 302. Providing Premium Processing of Employment-Based Visa Petitions.
Requires USCIS to allow employers to file a �premium processing� fee for expedited adjudication of employment-based immigrant petitions, as well as for administrative appeals of any decision on an employment-based immigrant petition.
Section 303. Eliminating Procedural Delays in Labor Certification Process.
Requires the Department of Labor to process all applications filed prior to the electronic PERM system within six months of enactment. Clarifies the Department of Labor�s process in providing prevailing wage determinations and requires the Department of Labor to establish a website to post open job orders.
Title IV. Miscellaneous
Section 401. Completion of Background and Security Checks.
Requires that no immigration application may be approved until the appropriate background and security checks are completed and any allegations of fraud have been resolved.
Section 402. Visa Revalidation.
Allows temporary workers who have not violated their status to renew their visa from within the United States.
Section 403. Severability.
Clarifies that if any part of this act is determined to be invalid it will have no effect on the remainder of the provisions.
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dilbert_cal
06-05 11:08 AM
The question is: Is he milking you or your your company? LOL and UDD.
UDD for use due diligence.
Not everyone is filing 485 only. Some folks are filing 140 and 485 and in that case, technically, there is one part which has Premium Processing.
UDD for use due diligence.
Not everyone is filing 485 only. Some folks are filing 140 and 485 and in that case, technically, there is one part which has Premium Processing.
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SkilledWorker4GC
07-21 11:44 AM
Mailed EAD Renewal on 7/7/08
Receipt Dt 07/09/2008
Notice Dt 07/09/2008
Receipt Dt 07/09/2008
Notice Dt 07/09/2008
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02-26 05:14 PM
That is several years since its inception : limited number of paying members, half hearted participation in various campaigns, and inactive state chapters.
And who is hurting because of this? Is it not you? And me? and our families? Whose fault is it that we refuse to actively participated in the effort that wants us to lead a stable life.
You see, most people here work in IT. So we have binary logic. 0 & 1. There is no in between. So most people in this community of educated illiterates wants the world to be perfectly aligned before we lift a finger. Lets wait for few more years for GC before we contribute my hard earned $20 after bickering for 10 years, way to go.
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And who is hurting because of this? Is it not you? And me? and our families? Whose fault is it that we refuse to actively participated in the effort that wants us to lead a stable life.
You see, most people here work in IT. So we have binary logic. 0 & 1. There is no in between. So most people in this community of educated illiterates wants the world to be perfectly aligned before we lift a finger. Lets wait for few more years for GC before we contribute my hard earned $20 after bickering for 10 years, way to go.
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apahilaj
08-06 02:23 PM
Has anyone who filed on July 2nd at Nebraska center and whose case will most likely be transferred to TSC (due to I 140 approved from TSC) got their receipts yet?
I am still waiting...NO checks cashed yet...
Thanks.
I am still waiting...NO checks cashed yet...
Thanks.
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mariusp
05-19 05:34 PM
Try to call the service center directly, e.g. call at a time when the service center is open. The 1-800 number will transfer you automatically and you should hear something like "welcome to NSC/TSC, etc...". If the service center is closed and they transfer you to the national customer service something you can hang up because they're useless. All they know is to open SRs which get routed to the thrash bin.
I did exactly as in the post above, except for the part where I tell them I'm "depressed" (they probably figured I was anyway :)) and I got my FP notice three days later. I got a soft LUD right after the call, which is a good indication that the IO actually did something. If you don't get an LUD call again the next day, and the next day,..... eventually you'll run into someone who can help.
i had call several times open service request 3times but no help finelly i took infopass and went to atlanta to see io he fineally shedule me for 28th may but i have not receive appointment letter yet .
do you think i will receive letter ?
after fingerprint i will see lud or not?
i am july 2nd 2007 filler and my pd is november 2005 row , my visa is current now so what will happen after my fingerprint to my file?
will they put back again somewhere storage place or they will finished my fille work?
I did exactly as in the post above, except for the part where I tell them I'm "depressed" (they probably figured I was anyway :)) and I got my FP notice three days later. I got a soft LUD right after the call, which is a good indication that the IO actually did something. If you don't get an LUD call again the next day, and the next day,..... eventually you'll run into someone who can help.
i had call several times open service request 3times but no help finelly i took infopass and went to atlanta to see io he fineally shedule me for 28th may but i have not receive appointment letter yet .
do you think i will receive letter ?
after fingerprint i will see lud or not?
i am july 2nd 2007 filler and my pd is november 2005 row , my visa is current now so what will happen after my fingerprint to my file?
will they put back again somewhere storage place or they will finished my fille work?
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skalra
02-05 05:58 PM
Does anybody know how long one can stay out of Canada after landing? I heard some where its 2 years and some say its 3 years from the date you land.
And that time does not have to be continous. You can do cycle of 6 months in Canada 1 year outside outside and it will still count to 2 years by end of 5 years, or you can do just last 2 years of those 5 years.
And that time does not have to be continous. You can do cycle of 6 months in Canada 1 year outside outside and it will still count to 2 years by end of 5 years, or you can do just last 2 years of those 5 years.
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dtekkedil
07-10 07:57 AM
Here is the list copied from http://www.patrickcrusade.org/Fax.html:
ABC WASHINGTON DC 202-887-7684
...
Pacifica Radio, KPFT: 713-526-5750
Wall Street Journal: 212-416-2653
Christian Science Monitor: 212-764-9648
I can take over sending few of these faxes. Anyone else coming forward? We need to do this ASAP! They can be sent from your local Staples!
ABC WASHINGTON DC 202-887-7684
...
Pacifica Radio, KPFT: 713-526-5750
Wall Street Journal: 212-416-2653
Christian Science Monitor: 212-764-9648
I can take over sending few of these faxes. Anyone else coming forward? We need to do this ASAP! They can be sent from your local Staples!
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abq_gc
08-23 11:58 AM
Hi,
I got my EAD today...Even i received my EAD also...Mine is sent to NSC on july 2nd...I received EAD's from Texas Center...I think my application was transferred to Texas...I have approved I-140 from Texas...Are receipt numbers for EAD, 485, AP are in serial? I haven't received receipts yet...I filled G-28...my attorney did not receive my receipts...I don't know what is going on...
Hi Sracharla,
Congrats on yur EAD.. Did u have a LUD on yur I-140 ???
Thanks,
I got my EAD today...Even i received my EAD also...Mine is sent to NSC on july 2nd...I received EAD's from Texas Center...I think my application was transferred to Texas...I have approved I-140 from Texas...Are receipt numbers for EAD, 485, AP are in serial? I haven't received receipts yet...I filled G-28...my attorney did not receive my receipts...I don't know what is going on...
Hi Sracharla,
Congrats on yur EAD.. Did u have a LUD on yur I-140 ???
Thanks,
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pvpb
10-04 02:15 PM
Applied on August 3rd....nothgin yet...as days go by i am getting paniky...i freinds applied aroung aug 14th...she got her RN's
donno how many sleepless night have to spent still
donno how many sleepless night have to spent still
desigirl
07-20 10:24 AM
I can't understand why Sanhari's suggestion would rile up EB2 folks. All he suggested was to use the EB spillover visas for oldest cases irrespective of EB category and country.
Sanhari - Are you sure that this is a USCIS decision? Can USCIS change the way the do the spillover without legislation change?
Folks, There is a another thread on here that says IV is neither against EB3 nor for EB2. If that's really the case why would Sanhari's suggestion not find favor? If IV seriously want to do something for the backlog, Sanhari's suggestion should be taken up.
I anticipate and welcome reds, greens, blues for this post :)
as gc28262 has indicated, that proper analysis and the correct interpretation of the law is needed to change such matters. Unless, EB3 people come out of the lethargic content/self pity and start working on the issues as if their life depended on it (it does) - just writing to the senators and representatives will not help. The legislative offices is not going to do the analysis (in the time that matters to us) and address it to the USCIS. However, if we do the ground work and then approach them, we may have a better chance of succeeding.
Sanhari - Are you sure that this is a USCIS decision? Can USCIS change the way the do the spillover without legislation change?
Folks, There is a another thread on here that says IV is neither against EB3 nor for EB2. If that's really the case why would Sanhari's suggestion not find favor? If IV seriously want to do something for the backlog, Sanhari's suggestion should be taken up.
I anticipate and welcome reds, greens, blues for this post :)
as gc28262 has indicated, that proper analysis and the correct interpretation of the law is needed to change such matters. Unless, EB3 people come out of the lethargic content/self pity and start working on the issues as if their life depended on it (it does) - just writing to the senators and representatives will not help. The legislative offices is not going to do the analysis (in the time that matters to us) and address it to the USCIS. However, if we do the ground work and then approach them, we may have a better chance of succeeding.
immigrant2007
09-10 12:24 AM
We all morons wont still learn, we will still start prediting for next visa bulletin hoping that a reincarnation of god will ome and deliver us visa numbers.
Unless we all make a collective effort no one is going to listen to us. I know the fate of my post we all people are busy to get our post noted or express our opinion that we have lost our fous of what our main problem is. I think we deserve this perhaps I dont think if we continue like this we even deserve GCs.
-with correction
We all morons and still wont learn, we will still start predicting for next visa bulletin hoping that a reincarnation of god will come and deliver us visa numbers.
Unless we all make a collective effort no one is going to listen to us. I know the fate of my post, we all will get busy to get our post noted or express our opinion which will definitely solve our problem or proving our point the that "i am right you are wrong" or get busy with "my ideas are better than yours" or "who wins the quote slamming contest".
We have simply lost our fous of our main problem . I think we deserve this perhaps I think if we continue like this we dont even deserve GCs.[/QUOTE]
Unless we all make a collective effort no one is going to listen to us. I know the fate of my post we all people are busy to get our post noted or express our opinion that we have lost our fous of what our main problem is. I think we deserve this perhaps I dont think if we continue like this we even deserve GCs.
-with correction
We all morons and still wont learn, we will still start predicting for next visa bulletin hoping that a reincarnation of god will come and deliver us visa numbers.
Unless we all make a collective effort no one is going to listen to us. I know the fate of my post, we all will get busy to get our post noted or express our opinion which will definitely solve our problem or proving our point the that "i am right you are wrong" or get busy with "my ideas are better than yours" or "who wins the quote slamming contest".
We have simply lost our fous of our main problem . I think we deserve this perhaps I think if we continue like this we dont even deserve GCs.[/QUOTE]
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